SHOOTOUT 7: DJ Premier

World Cup. Hello and welcome to Hip Hop

World Cup Shootout, the podcast that pits Golden Age rappers and

producers against each other to find the ultimate champions.

I'm your host, Danny Phillips, and as usual, I'm joined by the

man who thought The Roots was a garden centre, James Luskin.

Hello. And the man who thought Spice

won was an Indian restaurant, Steve Hitchcock.

How are you chaps? Yeah, good.

Thanks. Good.

Thanks. Yeah.

We're coming to you live from the brand new Hill Dickinson

Stadium, home of Premier League team at Everton FC, where we're

about to bear witness to what could be the greatest shootout

in podcasting history. As we dive into the back

catalogue of the one and only DJ Premier.

Just to make it clear, we're only talking about his

productions for other people, but not gang star tracks.

FIFA has mandated that we run a full Gang Starr solo shoot out

later in the series to keep an eye out for that.

So Steve Primo is one of our favourite producers here on this

podcast. Tell us why.

Tell us why we hold him in such high esteem.

Well, it's interesting, isn't it?

Because I think in my in my preparation for this podcast, I

was thinking about this and I think it's only been through

doing this podcast that I have appreciate him as much as I do

now. I definitely wouldn't have

considered him one of the best producers in hip hop, Although I

don't know what not not kind of like specifically when you kind

of like you. Know that's bang out of order.

He's like my favourite, but during this podcast you just

realise how much he pops up in like every nearly every year

that we go into him with so many different artists and he

produces for like he's produced for like the biggest artists

like your Nazis and your Jay-Z, who are like the giants of hip

hop. He's also produced for like

loads of people in the underground and some people have

probably never heard of them. He's even produced for some

mainstream artists and he's still producing to this day.

Like last year I think he produced on like a, a couple of

albums. So he his reach is just

phenomenal. I think he's so influential as

well, but there's so many. It's almost as if the whole like

boom bap kind of sub genre is kind of based on what he does.

I don't know if he was the first to do that, probably not.

But he he suddenly exemplifies it, doesn't he?

I would say he he is boom. Back he is boom my.

In my opinion, yeah, definitely. He's the opinion of it.

He's like, he didn't invent it because obviously it was a

realm, you know, before him, but he certainly took it to the next

level. Yeah.

You know, I think he's he he's, you know, he's unique as well.

His style is so unique, you know, and a Primo track as soon

as it comes in. Yeah, he's like he's he's sort

of unbiteable, isn't he? Because you, you would.

You would just be ripping him off if you did exactly what he

what it. Does I don't, I don't know if I

agree with that. I think his production is quite

form formulaic like boom bap. It is, is is quite predictable

in the way that you kind of hear it and, and it and his, his

formula is very simple, isn't it?

It's like amazing drums. He picks his samples really

well. He has to have like a horn or

piano sample in there that's chopped up brilliantly and then

some scratches. But having said that, when you

hear other people do it, it just doesn't sound the same.

I don't know how he does it. Exactly.

That's what I mean. It's like, you know it

instantly, you know, when somebody's trying to copy him

because they they fail. Yeah, and like you're saying,

it's like his style isn't that complicated.

It's his choice of samples, it's the programming, and it's the

way he gets this kind of bounce, the way he does his boom bap.

There's something so unique about it.

You. I reckon I've got a theory.

I reckon he's got like a, he's got like a broker like his SP

1200. He's got like a there's a secret

setting in there that only he has access to that makes his

drums swing just in such a particular way, like it's a,

it's a faulty unit, but. It's a cheat code like he was

given like Akai game for special.

Yeah, they developed it with them or something maybe.

Yeah, but it's like on paper it is such an easy thing to do.

You know, you just you far up Ableton these days and you kind

of put your little kind of MPC swing on it and stuff, but you

just you can't quite do it the same way that he he.

Does it you? You 2 know loads more about this

than I do, but when I listen to him talk about it, it's because

he programmes it himself and plays plays the buttons himself.

Yeah, but there's something in his ear or his rhythm.

But. That is how most kind of hip hop

producers do it. But he's just got so.

Well. Yeah, he said.

That bounce, the way the hats sit, the way the selection of

snares is always spot on as well, Yeah.

Just his drums generally, like the drums that he chooses and

it's the way, it's the way the way he kind of processes them.

Like either like the EQ or the compression or something.

There's just something so technically brilliant about how

he does it. I don't know sort of how

intentional that is, or whether it's just a matter of just

randomly sort of tweaking until he gets it just right, or

whether he just knows exactly. It's like a lot of producers,

it's all about EQ, it's all about, you know, filtering and

all that sort of stuff and he just gets it spot on.

But for me, it's the thing that characterises him most is his

sample choice. Yeah, sample choices.

He finds these super obscure samples that you wouldn't

necessarily hear them and go, I could flip that into a hip hop

track. But somehow he takes them and

they're always quite kind of quirky, cinematic.

They're always jazzy. But some of them are just weird

sound effects. Yeah, it's certainly in the kind

of the 94 to 96 period. He was very keen on using sound

effects, bells and weird little sound effects.

You know, bubbles and stuff. Which you know, and for me, like

I was just talking about the 94 to 96, for me that is that's

peak premiere. I know like as he was coming up,

9293 Gangstar and all that sort of stuff, but he then 94 New

York State, MI and onwards, just that's peak premiere.

Yeah. That's what he really found,

that groove that really, really found that kind of sweet spot of

his production style. Well, he, he says himself,

didn't he? I think he, he had to get really

good at chopping samples up because he was like basically

like taken to pieces in his early career because it was just

sampling stuff and he was just, you know, just put a sample.

And so we had to chop things up to make it really kind of

indistinguishable to the some of the original stuff.

But the way he chops it is just, yeah, next level again, it's

just some sort. Of it's just blue, isn't it?

Yeah, He's like he he like he is he's a genius.

I think I said it, I said it before about him, but like he's

the kind of person who he's on that level of like he's like a

Miles Davis or somebody like that.

Like he, he's like the kind of like Miles Davis of chopping

samples up and just the way he, like his scratching is just so

incredible as well. Like incredible.

He is like he's the absolute best at that.

Just finding little vocal snatches and like just cutting

up these little phrases. Like he's, he's just, he's an

absolute genius. You know, you know a Primo

chorus when you hear 1 though. Yeah.

It's just. It's just.

He has like an encyclopaedic knowledge, I think of hip hop

and he just must remember so many lyrics and just think I'm

going to I've just remembered that sounds really great.

I'm going to come back to that at some point.

That's going to well, I've I. Mean I've, I don't know if he

must have sort of spoke, I've been talking about this before,

but I've just got a kind of feeling that he all of his

productions start off with like a little vocal with a word or a

phrase and everything's built around that.

Like I know that with the Gang Starr stuff, the way that they

made albums was that they came up with the song titles 1st and

then made the music around that, which is which is so crazy.

And I just can't help but feel that something like Invasion, he

just had that little invasion thing.

It's like, yeah, you can build a truck around that.

He just knows where they are. Like in most of the stuff he

produced around this time, He he knows the phrase.

Yeah. Where to find it.

Yeah. And that's all the hook usually

is. It's just him scratching

somebody saying that phrase. Yeah.

So clever. Yeah, so clever.

What you were saying a minute ago, actually, Steve, about how

often he comes up in our episodes when we, you know, we

do. The years I actually went

through, I did the research. I did the work on on your

behalf. We've actually no way.

We've actually he's the cup tied.

These are the cup tied ones. He's been featured 19 * 19 of

his tracks were already covered. Yeah.

These are the cup tied ones we couldn't select from from this

episode. I will read them.

I know it makes for great podcasting.

So we have a kick in the door. We've had 10 correct

commandments. The best part from J Live.

Yeah Devils, the frustrated NI gave you power bys, which is one

of the gangster tracks and mass appeal we've had from Gangster

come clean just to get a Rep 1-2 pass it Superstar, next level,

the 6th sense. It's been a long time.

When I be on the mic, come get me MCS act like they don't know.

And finally out of here. Oh.

I mean, just like who's got a better?

Yeah. And those are the ones I know

that's a great, a great backup look.

And those are the ones we can't choose from.

Yeah. So we've managed to find 10 more

absolute bangers. You know, just, it's testament

to how good he is that we're ruling all of those out and

we've still found 10 more. He he is, he is hip hop, isn't

he? He he just sounds like hip hop.

All those tracks just run out are just.

Perfect hip hop. I just, I, I love hearing him

speak about it as well. Like he does like these little

YouTube kind of videos of him talking about how he sort of

made these tracks and he's he's so enthusiastic about it.

He just seems seems like such a cool kind of guy.

Before we get this shoot out underway, and it's going to be a

good one I can already tell, here's a quick run through of

the rules, ladies and gentlemen. In our shootout solo episode, we

pick 10 songs from a hip hop producer or rapper and draw them

against each other to find an overall winner.

Those 10 tracks include three personal picks from each host,

while the 10th track is decided between us.

The tracks can be from any era as long as the artist or

producer came to prominence in the 1990s, but they can't be

songs we've already discussed in our Dream Team or playoff

episodes. Essentially, those tracks have

been cup tied. During the shootout, we pick the

tracks at random to face each other, discuss them and decide

which is the winner using the three man vote.

At the end, we'll rank the five winning tracks using our True

Score ratings to find the overall champion so that the

shootout commence. Full disclosure, someone forgot

to pay the bribe the the fee to FIFA to use their VAR

technology, so we've had to procure the services of ex

Premier League referee and star of BBC Gladiators Mark

Klattenberg to stand in the corner and oversee the show.

All cash in hand of course. All set Mark.

Contenders ready? We certainly are great stuff.

Thanks Mark for being here at such short notice.

So without further ado, let's crack on with the shootout.

We have 10 DJ Premier tracks which are as follows.

Quickly in Dodgers, 95 return of the Crooklyn Dodgers.

KRS-one rappers are in danger. Jerry the damages invasion and

Jerry the damages mental stamina prime by prime ASAP Ferg, our

streets, The Notorious B.I.G unbelievable, Nas, New York

State of mind, group homes live in proof and my world by OC that

was this is going to be absolutely epic.

Also, I will just say at this point I have I have a quiz for

you. Yep, 5 different categories.

Wow. I'll introduce them as we go

along. You've got 5 categories to

choose from, so bit of fun and games.

Look out for that right? Should we get cracking with the

shootout then? Steve, give me a number between

1:00 and 50. 5 please. 5 is prime by prime and Larry give me

a number between 6:00 and 10:00. 6. 6 is ASAP Ferg our streets.

These were your two choices. You've got your own little

battle. Let's have a listen to them.

They see these cars and they want to be reality TV stars.

Just another day in my reform life.

My unreformed mic right like this my son was born night.

I'm tired of cheating on my wife but these bitches just ain't

right. Can't even kiss them in their

mouths. Too many Dicks been in their

diet. Me and Chris we Mama that new

house diamonds and mean pearls don't went to Africa talk to

that have nots donated some uniform teach them how to have

guac Primo put the soul in it. I make the track hot and this

thing forever got the game in the padlock.

I just want the Aurilla. I'm tired of the ass shots.

Don't want to. So that's prime versus ASAP

Ferg. R St Larry thieves are both your

choices, so it would be remiss of me not to let you go first on

this one. Yeah, let's talk us through why

you Chuck these in the mix. So let's start with Prime.

So this is a project that Premier did with the rapper

Royster 59 back in 2014 I think, and I chose it just because it

is it, it's an example of something that doesn't kind of

fit the usual Premier mould. Like quite often it's quite, as

we've spoken about, formulaic, kind of heavy boom bap type of

thing. And this one I I would say kind

of isn't. You wouldn't necessarily

identify that it was a Premier beat if you didn't know know

that it was. I think the idea behind the

album is that it samples exclusively from the catalogue

of Adrian Young, who's who's sort of, I don't know much about

him, but he's like a kind of, he sort of makes like modern retro

soul kind of stuff. Like the kind of thing that you

would you might expect to like sort of Isaac Hayesian kind of

Blaxploitation soundtrack kind of music.

There's a lot of that kind of thing, I think.

He did something with Ali Shaheed Mohammed as.

Well, yeah, yeah. In fact, I think the album that

this one is sample from is one with Ali Shaheed Mohammed.

But it's just one of those samples that I really like.

It's got got that sort of mysterious, sinister kind of

quality to it. The drums are just really nice.

I love that kind of crashing sort of sounds that they've got

on it. I don't know.

It's just, yeah, I just like it. I don't know much about Royster

59. Really.

Like the obvious track that he did with Premiere is, I think

it's called, is it called Boom? Did a track called Boom like

with him, which is like a classic premiere beat.

But yeah, I actually wanted to choose a a different track from

this album called You Lose, but it's something like it's not

like a real track. It's something like a minute and

a half long and it's. Eligible.

It's eligible, it's got, it's got, it's got like 1 short verse

and then Premiere does like a little sort of talking verse and

then like a little scratching outro.

It's really good. It just didn't feel like it

really fit the the bill. But I know I like the rapping on

it. I'm not a sort of, I don't, I'd

say I've never really sort of bought to delve into Royce's

catalogue, but I like this. I think he's, I think he's a

good sort of storyteller and stuff.

Yeah. And yeah, I just thought of a

bit of a different kind of track to have on there.

I just I just good research this is this is a good one to to to

get involved. But I think even like you said,

it slows it down, but I think it still manages to get your head

nodding. Yeah, like premise.

It's a slow head, you. Know it slows it down, you get

your head knowing and it and it's.

I think it still has the other elements of language, some

really good chopped up bits and the scratching and the sampling

is really good. Yeah, I think maybe the

scratching is like the only kind of identifiable right thing

that's premier. Like it's Premier ish.

The rest of it just doesn't really sound like his stuff, but

I do. I just just think it's a really

good track in its own it's own right really did.

Did you know about this one before I chose it?

Yeah. You're aware of the project.

Yeah, yeah, I, I, I did listen to some.

It's not one that's been a constant rotation, but when when

you picked it, I was like, yeah, nice choice.

Larry just shows the depth of Larry's Larry's knowledge and.

Yeah. Yeah, it's good.

Did you have it at the time when it came?

Out yeah, I did yeah. I was definitely kind of it was

one of the I was sort of excited about when I knew it was coming

out. So I think it was like the maybe

like the first album like that premiere is sort of produced

for. Well and yeah, it's not it's not

great. It's got its moments, but this

is definitely one of the standards no did.

You like it, Danny? Well, I think it's it's a half

decent track, but like there's two things I say.

Like it pales in comparison to everything else we've got on

this list. For me, for my taste and also

what I don't, it's worst crime is that it sounds like it could

have been produced by anyone. It doesn't sound to me like it

was produced by Premier. And I know he evolved and he's

evolved and changed since the kind of golden era that I'm more

kind of familiar with, but it just didn't sound like a Premier

production apart from, as you said, some of the scratches.

So that was the problem I had most with it.

But taking that away from it, I do think it's a half decent

track, but it's just, yeah, it's a bit sort of dull compared to

what we know Premier is capable of.

And again, Royce 59 is quite clearly a very competent rapper.

His delivery and some of the things he does on this

particular track annoyed me a little.

Bit he, he is a bit I, I know exactly the kind of bits that

you're you're knowing about. Yeah.

He's what he does that kind of double time bit.

Yeah. I didn't quite get on with that

very well, but I endorse it being included in this because

it gives us a broader selection. What?

That was kind of it, really. I just wanted to expand the

palette a little bit. Absolutely, yeah.

Because everything else is typical premiere.

Yeah. Yeah.

No, I totally respect that. So let's move on to your other

one. Yeah, which I actually I've

preferred quite a lot. I actually call it good.

Like this one. Yeah.

ASAP Ferg, R St. So how?

What was your first introduction to this one then?

I just kind of, I just sort of know a little bit about ASAP,

like A$AP Rocky and ASAP Ferg. Like to me, they're like new

rappers. Yeah, I think they they kept

like they came out in about like 2010 or something.

But to me, this is like new school.

What's Is there something after? That ASAP was it like a is what?

Sorry ASAP. Like what is this with?

The sign in it as well. With the dollar sign.

It's, it's, it's, it's a posse. It's like always survive and

prosper or something like that, or always strive and prosper,

something like that. But they're like a Harlem crew.

There's like A$AP Rocky is like the famous one.

I think he's like married to Rihanna.

Yeah, I've heard of A$AP Rocky. I just.

Yeah. And then ASAP Ferg is probably

the next biggest one. And the various other ones I

don't sort of really know of, but yeah, they're like a big,

big sort of New York crew. And I don't like all of their

stuff, but I I quite like a few of like Rocky and Ferg's wraps.

So I don't, yeah, I think I just sort of came across this

one-on-one of my, I'll check out some more Ferg kind of stuff.

And this one happened to be on there.

But yeah, again, I just wanted to sort of choose something that

was a little bit more recent, but I also think it's like a

classic sounding premiere. It's got all the kind of

ingredients of a good premiere. This is a lot more Primo esque,

isn't it? It's like.

But quite funky though. Yeah, bit more maybe funky than

than you get normally, because it's normally a bit harder than.

That I think it's almost, it's like one of my kind of

observations, it's almost like a disco Y kind of sample that

they're using on it. I think it's like a mix of like

2 tracks by the same artist. I I've never heard of this trap

before you suggested no. So this was like I I do quite

like A$AP Rocky. There's some stuff because he's

quite he's a bit like harder and more underground named.

After and his and his brother ASAP Ferg.

How did you you heard of him? I'd heard of him, but not really

kind of like got into him or know anything about about them

really. But this, I love this trap.

This is this is going to be on my, you know, my life.

It's a good announcement. For a while now.

I'd I'd say the one thing about it, and and this is in common

with premieres, more recent stuff like the like the album he

did with Nars recently. It's still good.

It's still premiere. But his drums don't like knock

as hard as they used to, right. Like there's something about his

sample selection for drums. They've kind of they've just had

the sort of rough edges, like sanded off them a little bit.

They're not as kind like the the kicks aren't as deep and as

attacky and the snares the same, Just they're not.

Kind of his role. He probably got into using

different doors and stuff, you know, software and things like

that started. Using maybe kit maybe?

And just took the edge off some of it.

You didn't get that same sound. Yeah, because a lot of that

equipment's got its own characters.

Yeah, Oh, definitely. And he's probably, yeah, just,

yeah, trying to expand his palette because you can't just

use, you know, no, impeach the president like, a million times

in a row. Or whatever got to move with the

times. So if you're a fan of this one,

then Steve you it's just in general you like it it's been

out to your playlist for me. I think this is much more like

it than the prime tracker. This is this is much more Primo

for me. This is it's got that bounce.

It sounds more like a Primo production and I love the sample

chops. I love the way he's chopped the

samples on this. He's sampling a lot of the stuff

whenever I make. Actually, whenever I make I'm.

Always thought of you with this. It's a bit of a kind of the kind

of thing you would yeah, for your.

Sort of, you know, Garrity kind of yeah, Todd Edwards type

stuff, especially that little string stab.

Yeah, you know that bit. But I'm always looking for those

whenever I make tracks. So I loved that.

I loved hearing that. I just think it's really nicely

chopped and the beats like are just like so much more Primo

like. So yeah, I was, I quite like, I

like this one. And I'd never heard of ASAP

Fergie, but I think he's do. You think he might get into the

whole posse now? Yeah, maybe, maybe I might check

out some of his brother A$AP Rocky when I get a chance.

But the, yeah, I like him on this beat as well.

I think he's a decent, decent rapper.

He's got good flow and he really suits the beat.

So, yeah, I was pleased you chose this one, Larry.

I quite like it. That's I didn't give it any more

than the three. Fair enough.

But yeah, I did like it more than the the prime one.

Should we vote? Are we is there any other

business or should we just vote on this one?

Let's vote. Yeah.

So as you said, I'll give it three.

I prefer our streets to prime so I'm going for ASAP Ferg.

Barry yeah, same. Oh, me too.

Yeah, 03 nil for ASAP Ferg. Well, in that case, we better

give him one of these. Back in the net.

Back in the net for ASAP Ferg. Sticks it right in the

stanchion. Let's move on to our second

match now. Steve.

Give me another one between 1:00 and 5:00.

Let's go for #1. Number one, which is Crooklyn

Dodgers. 95 returning the Crooklyn Dodgers. 9. 9 is group

home living proof. OK, that's Crooklyn Dodgers V

group home. Let's have a listen.

Yeah. Now clock kids.

Who got the cocaine? Don't tell me the little kids

are so trained, the metaphor said from my brave to my jaw.

It comes from other places, not the tinted phrases.

Journalistic values are yellow. And then of course you watch

Channel 0 with that. And I want to get paid cause

bullet to spray. Then anybody is laid, more money

is laid. And that's the family trade.

See, I make moves and tell. What's the truth?

That's why I'm. Here to be living proof.

Leave it up to me while I be living proof.

What a match up. So this is my choice, Quicken

Dodgers against Steve's choice. Yeah.

Do you want to go first, Steve, on this one?

So let's talk about Quicken Dodgers.

Is this one you're sort of big fan of or not?

Yeah. I love it.

Just that bell on there. It's just one of his eight most

distinctive best chopped bits up ever.

And so this is the sequel to the to the original.

Yeah. And and like like a different

set, different set of wrappers from the first one.

I don't know if it's as good as the first one.

I think the first one probably still is.

Still like the it's Q-tip produced the first one.

Yeah. Master ace.

Yeah, Box shot. Box shot.

And special eds. Yeah, special Ed, I suppose,

isn't it? But I love Chub Chub Rock on

this who just actually had himself.

I actually really like Chub Rock.

He's he's one of those kind of like early rappers that doesn't

really get like much mentioned has ever been mentioned.

Never been mentioned on on this podcast.

Well, he was on Back to the Grill by MC Search.

We had also had NARS on it. I think we might have mentioned

him or talked about him then. That's the only time he's ever

appeared. So he's he's actually a big 80s

rapper. He has quite a few good albums

and and I can't remember the name of his ad, but just I'm

listening to his 1991 ad at the moment.

He's really very. Good, right?

Yeah. Yeah.

He doesn't get it, the props probably on this podcast, but he

is, yeah. He's one of those.

He doesn't get the props generally, does he?

He's kind of like one of those. He's a bit of an yeah, heralded

the the only other kind of thing I know him from, because I've

never checked out his old stuff, is I'm pretty sure he's on a Mr

Len track the the other producer from company Flow on his album

that he did. Yeah, he's got a track on there,

but I don't, I don't really like him as a rapper and I don't like

him on this and it drags the track down for me.

I I've always been a bit put off.

I mean if anything, put him last.

Right. On the track I think I'd be more

I'd have a more favourable opinion of it if if he was last.

He just sort of ruins it instantly.

He is a bit more of a wild card. He's a.

Bit of a sort of. Not he, I just.

He does a few things with his like that Barbara Walters.

He goes a bit off the rails, but I think that's what I quite like

about a lot of sounds good. He's very distinctive.

But I think, I think he he kills on this one.

But I can see what you mean. He's the way he delivers certain

stuff. Maybe you don't put him first.

Yeah, I think. He's just one of those rappers.

He's a bit of a sort of Marmite kind of rapper, I think, maybe

in terms. Of the production, yes.

It's really hard, isn't it, to distinguish between a lot of the

tracks we're gonna gonna hear today because they will follow

the very similar formula. Yeah, but this is a really

distinctive, memorable production. 100% yeah, for me, I

mean, this is in the Holy Trinity of Primo beats.

Oh, really? This is really the in the top

three. It's it's this D&D project 1-2

pass it. Yeah.

And KRS ones, he's act like they don't know that, that that's the

three. They absolutely epitomise

Primo's production for me. I know you you boys might put AJ

Root on something in there, but for me that that really

encapsulates his sound from this period.

And I love it because it's got all the hallmarks in there.

It's got the bell sound like you talked about, which is just

insane. It is how does.

He get away, I don't know, it's got an off kilter jazz sample

which he's really specialised in in this point.

And if you actually listen to the source sample itself, it's

actually not, isn't it? Well, it is, but he's done

something with it and like, you wouldn't listen to it and think

what I could take that bit because he's such a genius.

He heard it and and chopped it and put it in there.

But what I love the most is that it's got, it's the best example

of the Primo bounce in the drums.

Yeah, it, it just just bounces and it's so good.

And the the snare drum is so crisp.

I just think I this is such a great production and it's, it's,

it's everything that Primo does best for me.

Would you 2 put this above the the original version?

I personally would. I personally would, but as much

as I love, I love quickly in the first one, yeah.

I, I, yeah, I, I don't think you can listen to this one without.

You have to do the comparison because.

It because. It is a is a sequel, yeah.

And I just, I love like, it's one of my favourite beats like

that Q-tip when it's just such a sort of exciting beat to me.

He's a good beat, yeah. He's another genius producer.

Yeah, and I and I love and I much prefer the rappers on the

the first one. And they seem to kind of, they

seem to keep it a bit more on theme as well.

Like in the first, like the first Crooklyn Dodgers, it's a

bit more sort of Brooklyn centric, whereas this, it's like

the Chub Rock verse that seems to sort of not really adhere.

To he's got AB in his body. He goes off the rails on various

topics, but yeah, I mean. But I I really love, I think the

OC, the OC verse is really good. Jay Ruse is fine.

But I don't, yeah, I don't think it really holds a candle to the

first. No, I think in terms of

lyricism, I think maybe the first one, yeah, wins.

But I, I do, I what I do love on this actually, and it goes back

to sort of premiere and his kind of ability to find little vocal

snatches is that he borrows stuff from the first like.

The bucked out the Southwestern. Exactly.

So it's just a really nice nod to the to the first one and the

beat itself I've got no B for at all.

It's it's really good. Yeah, the like the OC Versus is

really, really good. Jerry's great on it as well.

I should just also mention this one came from the film

soundtrack to the film Clockers, the Spike Lee film.

So a big massive fan of that film.

I absolutely love it. And this was featured quite

prominently in it. So I.

Think I've seen that, yeah. Really good, Really good.

So well, that's that one. So the other one was living

proof. Living proof by group home.

This is your choice, Steve. So we've talked about group home

quite a lot on this podcast and we've sort of their pros and the

cons. So let's let's just sort of

recap on some of those things. What?

What? Well, yeah, 2 interest.

Interesting. So I'm not the biggest group

home fan but this this beat is definitely in my top three DJ

Premier beats full time. And we just met.

We're just talking about the beats in this one.

We're not going to well. I I would say anybody could

sound good on this beat. I don't think it really matters

who's rapping on this because the beat is just it's just so

hard. I think this is the hardest

Primo beat there is. Just like knocks you sideways

like you 2 can probably talk to how he produces it that that

kind of gives that effect. But yeah, I think so.

You've got little DAP. Yeah.

And Malachi, The Nutcracker. Yeah.

Is that right? Yeah.

And I think I discovered recently he's called that

because he was a boxer. So I think he must have just

gone knocking, knocking people out.

Basically the Shakespeare and Chaucer of hip hop worlds.

So yeah, I I don't have anything to say really, because it's it

is, it follows a similar, similar formula, but it's just

the beat is just much harder than anything else Primo.

Is a hard. It is a.

Hard a great beat. Nice drums as.

Soon as it comes in you just the head nods and it's just, it's

brilliant. Snapshot like off It's mental.

It is one of the quintessential Primo beats.

I think this, this whole album's pretty much a showcase for his,

you know? I think this is the high

watermark for me. Premiere Productions and I I,

you know, I love the whole album and I like and ironically like

the rappers, but I think this is probably like one of my least

favourite tracks on the album. And I think because I think

because they're not good enough for it.

I think a lot of on the rest of the album because the beats are

so strong. I think it like what you said,

Steve, just now about anyone would sound good on it.

I think that's true for a lot of the tracks on this album, but I

think this one you need someone like Jay Roo or a Biggie or AKRS

someone. Someone who just needs a basic

beat to let them let their voice shine.

Can you imagine them on this? On some of the beats on this

album? Yeah.

Biggie or Jay Roo. Just absolutely incredible.

How does he choose who he who he kind of produces for?

Because he's produced for so many different artists.

Like when When? There's a there's a weird

there's a bit of a story behind the group home kind of

connection, isn't there? I.

Do think so if they were the judge, wasn't it?

Some yeah, it was something yeah.

Like they, they were basic. I think they were sort of like,

you know, just local kids, yeah, like like kind of around the

gangster sort of foundation type.

Yeah, people in. The headquarters.

Head in the headquarters, kind of or what was it?

Or the DND as it used to be then.

Yeah, yeah. I think they were just kind of,

yeah, young kind of kids who were sort of in trouble with the

law. That's right.

Yeah. And they had to kind of, I think

it was either like the judge, there was like a judge on one

occasion, so to be you've had to find something to do with their

lives or, or he'll just put them away and somehow like Premier

just took them under his wing and was able.

The judge told Prima if you don't produce them.

Get. These two to raffinate.

They go into prison. Yeah, it's.

A. Mental.

Yeah, it's a mental story, but a great story.

But that does not excuse him for being truly dreadful rappers.

As I said, I. Always want it we love.

Yeah, they've got a charm and I love this album as much as the

next. Line more than I do.

Yeah, I know, but they are awful.

Like Malachi on this one is like truly terrible.

There's a bit where he goes as you start to clock and Jack, and

this is the way he pauses in the in the thing to the point where

they have to put delay on his voice to fill in the gaps.

It's just like it's, it's just terrible.

And also he puts words in places you don't expect them to.

Like a good rapper wouldn't do. Like he just doesn't quite get

the cadence right. There was an episode of What's

that podcast? That Like Alaska?

Does the call out culture call? Out culture, they did an episode

about it and they were saying exactly that.

They're sort of, they're kind of like bad freestyle rappers,

Yeah. And they'll just like just end.

They like a sacrifice my lifestyle.

And that would be like. There, that's the.

Chorus or something? Yeah, it's almost like they

realised they've got to go up with something and they just

didn't quite. Just hit it just to defend

myself. This is chosen purely on the

beat. Yeah, 100%.

I think beat wise it's great. Just nod your head to it and

just. And I don't think we could have

had a DJ Premier shoot out without having one group home

track on it. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, absolutely. Not right.

Well, let's get to the voting then.

I think it comes as no surprise. I'm going to vote for Crooklyn

Dodgers because it was my choice and it's the better track.

I think. Steve, I'll.

Go for for the group home living proof track just because it is

just one of the hardest beats in hip hop.

OK, so you're the got. Yeah, I'm, I'm going for

Crooklyn, OK? It's just a better beat, isn't

it? Better rappers on it.

Fair enough. So that's a win for Dodge 95.

I gave it 5 out of five actually, and it's not the only

one I gave 5 out of five to on this.

So yeah, wow, I think it's one of these.

Back of the net it's not. My favourite actor, by the way.

What? The Office.

Right, let's take a break from the shootout just for a moment

for part one of our quiz. Oh, here we go.

So who wants to go first? You go, You go first.

You've got 5 categories. OK, here are the categories.

Spin it back. I know that sample.

That's bang out of order. Bang out of order, skip hop, or

whose line is it anyway? What do you want to go?

Wow. OK I think I should avoid the

sub once because I think you acknowledge of those going to.

Be better. I kind of like the idea of the

what's the reverse it one. Yeah, spin it back.

OK, So what this category is, I'm going to play you a clip of

the premade production backwards.

You've got to tell me what track it is.

OK, headphones on. Here we go.

Steve, it sounds like Nas. OK, is it?

It was written. Was that a Primo?

Producer. Go on.

That was the name of the album. Name of an album.

Give me power. I'm.

Going to give you that one. It's called I Gave You Power.

Yeah, from the close album it was written, I should have had a

clip of what it should have sounded like, but never mind.

You know what it sounds like out there?

I think I only got that because I could recognise Nas, yeah.

I have it. I have to have to say I got.

It Larry got that one do you want?

Do you want 1 sound a bit Rizzo ish Yeah it like.

Do you want one? Yeah, go on.

All right, so you've got the categories.

Do you want me to read them again or?

I'll have the third one. Bang out of order, OK.

That's bang out of order. Right, I'm going to give you 4

jumbled up tracks from Jay Ruse, The Sun Rises in the East,

produced by DJ Premier. You've got to put them in the

order they appear on the album. Oh bloody hell.

OK, so the four tracks are my Mind spray, the Bitches, Jungle

music, and the original. The original.

The original comes first, correct?

Do you know what working memory is?

That's not bad. That's what the three are.

My mind spray comes pretty late. Maybe it's actually the last

one. My mind spray is.

It the bitches next. You wanna just.

Yeah, so it would be the original The bitches Jungle

music. My mind spray or the other way

round? Other way around.

It was the original the bitches, my mind spray, jungle music.

Valiant effort, though. Good question.

Great. Yeah, great question.

Great answer. More of that later.

So we're going to move on now to our next shoot out, our next

match, sorry, which is going to be a number between 1:00 and

5:00. Steve hit me.

I think this might be the most effort you've ever put into a

podcast I. Think it might just be go on

this is. All for Primo #3 please. #3

that's invasion by Jamie the Damager Larry between 6:00 and

10:00. 7. 7 is unbelievable. So that's Jayru versus The

Notorious B.I.G. Here we go.

I thought he was wack. Oh come come now.

Why y'all so dumb now hunt me or be haunted.

I got 357 ways to swim a sauteed.

I'm the winner all day. Lights get dimmer down Biggie's

hallway. My 14 causes Caucasians to say

he sounds demented. OK, An unbelievable match there

between Jay Rue and the Torres BIG Larry, though Invasion was

my choice, so I thought it was yours.

I don't think it. Would.

Yeah. Yeah, it would.

I would. It would have been sort of on my

shortlist, definitely. Yeah.

So, well, let's start with you then, because not only how much

you like it, what's, what are your thoughts on this one

overall? Oh.

I just love it. Yeah, I think this is kind of I,

I mentioned this already about how I, I'm sure he must have

just come up with the invasion scratch 1st and then just built

the track around that. And I've also said this already,

but just the way he kind of Eqs things and it's, this is just an

exciting, hard hitting track. And I, I know that you would say

the same thing about it's all about like the way it comes in

at the beginning, it's just magic.

And the fact that it's got those sort of offbeat like snares on

there as well, like the little snare fills.

That's a good point, actually. Yeah.

It kind of hits it twice and stuff.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's just just incredible.

Just like some nice intro sometimes.

Doesn't he premiere? I think you put some effort into

them. Yeah, I do like the way a lot of

his tracks come in. He's he's got a very, but this,

this one is particularly good. Like, yeah, you know, it just

comes in with that sort of the sample, then it comes in with

that drum fill. That's what I like the most

about this, always, like the most about this track.

The way comes in. Yeah.

It's just such a great way to start a track.

And then he comes straight in with the verse as well.

It's not like he does the chorus first or anything.

And it's like, it's a, I think it's up there with Jay Rose

best. Yeah, I think so.

Like work isn't. It, it is.

And I had it on the New Jersey Drive soundtrack originally.

Yeah, not on Wrath of the Math And on on Spotify, I noticed

that it's been added to Wrath of the Math.

I'm not sure if it was always on there.

And. It's got like a little skit at

the bit. It's got skit the and I've never

heard that before. Yeah, never heard it before.

I don't like it 'cause I like the way.

It just comes. Yeah, exactly.

It's ruins are good does intro doesn't.

It does. You have to kind of wait to get

to that bit. But but yeah, this is this is

Pete Premiere, Pete J Roo. Absolutely love it.

And it's another in a long line of songs about how the system

keeps the black man down, which, you know, we're big fans over

this. We are podcasts, you know,

rallying against the man. So yeah, an absolute gem of a

track, Steve. I don't like it as much as you 2

do I, I, I can't, I can't disagree with anything you said.

I, I don't not like it. It just isn't, It's not one of

those hard enough tracks for me. I mean, it's certainly like in

juxtaposition to unbelievable, which I obviously picked.

Oh, shout out to the whistle on it as well.

Yeah, love that whistle. So Earth Wind and Far, isn't it?

Is it cool and the gang? Well, no cool.

See the cool and the gang? Well, through the far where it's

like a band like that, Yeah. But if it's the template of.

Primo picking up yeah effect and it fits into like the way it's

mixed in just it's it's absolutely it sounds like it's

part of the main sample, but it's not and the.

Scratching of one word in Asia. That's now, isn't it?

Yeah. That's not yeah, yeah from yeah,

it hard to tell Yeah, but the way he manipulates it's just

insane. He just sorry, Steve, we we.

No, no, no, it's fine Cos I think yeah, like you said, the

way we minute plays stuff is, is just incredible.

And what's the what's the other? The other chopped up is like a

piano or a keyboard that just the the main.

The main bit, it's kind of it's actually like he does something

pretty cool without you. I I've checked out like all of

the as I was going through this this morning, I was checking all

of the samples out and it's quite it.

It it's the main thing is just more of a sustained like duh,

duh, but he just like he keeps hitting.

It was it in the. Past Oh, so it's.

Just so good. So he's such a great track.

Love it so much. So let's move over to

unbelievable then. Steve, this was your choice

again, one of those probably much.

I expected it to be on the list. I expected it to be on your

list. So why have you included it

like? So one of it's one of my

favourite tracks ever. I, as you know, I kind of keep a

list of my favourite ones ever. It's #15 if you really want to

know, which is pretty. Well, in your all time.

My all time list of favourite tracks, this is $0.50, but

that's pretty, pretty high up for me.

Yeah, it's the highest. It's the highest ranking DJ

Premier track I think on my list actually.

I don't know if their mass appeals probably high, but I

just it's it's it's amazing for two reasons.

It's amazing because the production is just such what I

call like sinister boom bap. It's that really underground

gritty boom bap, boom bap. It was just, you know,

incredible, incredible chops. And then it's got Notorious BIG

on it and it appears at the end of.

It's the end of Ready to Die, isn't it?

Towards the end of Ready to Die, Yeah.

And it just finishes off that album, I think.

Just kept drawing it to your. Post Brilliant, isn't it?

So it has like a a position in my brain as well.

And when I listen to to Ready to Die as just being iconic for

that reason. So, so many, so many happy

memories of listening to that album in this track.

Just brilliant. I think it's just amazing,

amazing sinister boom back in my opinion.

Premier had to be, like, cajoled into doing it.

Did it as well. Yeah.

Like Primo. Yeah.

I think like, Biggie just wanted like, a street banger.

And he wanted Premier on there because he was like, obviously,

like, the hottest kind of producer around at the time.

But Premier was just too busy with other stuff and was just

like, I'll just do on the next album.

I'll give you something Biggie basically said like if you like,

I just want a beat on there from you.

I don't care if it uses like impeach the president because

that's such a obvious route. One thing to sample just says

just put do an impeach a president beat.

Like I just want you kind of to do it to do a track.

So we threw something together right from what I can gather

pretty quickly. Sounds like it as well.

Yeah, yeah. No, Harry, don't you dare.

Don't you dare say. That and interestingly, like the

main, the main sort of like pitched up and down stab that he

uses like it's an unknown. It's an unknown origin as at

least it was. I didn't sort of do a deep dive

on it, but it's not listed on who sampled and I all I could

find was like an article speculating about that.

It like some people think it might be from Patrice Rush and

remind me like from somewhere like a kind of stabbed, like a

Rhodes note from there or something just manipulated up

and down. But that's the that's sort of

like the best guess that's. Brilliant.

There's still some mystery in the world of hip hops.

Yeah. Which is great.

Yeah. Oh, great.

Yeah. I.

Reckon there's loads of that stuff that he's had to do

because he's gonna get just, you know, he's gonna spend so much

money on royalties. To other.

Oh yeah, I think he just tries to go obscure as he can

sometimes. Just one note, just get away

pitching it up and down. It's the easiest way to kind of

get away with sampling something, I think.

And similar on 10 Crack Commandments, where he uses that

one sound, which is a Les McCann song.

What? I didn't know that one.

And he just moves it around a bit.

It's just one hit. You can do it so badly as well.

Like there there was a kind of there's quite an obscure people

under the stairs CD called American Men, Volume 1.

They've got that Steve, but it's got a track on it where they're

sort of making fun of of like the backpack rap of the time.

And it's just got this really stupid stabbed on an MPC beat

kind of like this. And it's exactly the kind of

thing that I used to when I first got my PC.

You just do these really basic stupid kind of stab things like

with pitch. But he put Premier once again

does it and actually makes it sound like like really great,

like in my opinion anyway. But I think like Biggie is

obviously the real star of. Yeah, of us.

I'd go along with that. Like Biggie absolutely kills it

on this. And that's the whole reason why

this track is revered and why it's, you know, it's legendary.

It's on a legendary album as well.

So it kind of gets. I think this, I think that I

don't. I wonder if there's ever been

anyone as on at his peak as Biggie Smalls.

Like in his early career, like on the first album, he's so like

his voice is just so he was just gifted.

That was a gift from God, that voice.

No, he's the only one who really.

The only one that is Nas that comes close and he's just and

he's so and he's so precise as well.

Like it sounds like he's quant. It sounds like he's quantized to

the beat. He's just so.

On he's Immaculate. He's absolutely on this.

I mean, I've said before, I'm not the biggest fan of this

album in general, but on this album you cannot argue with he's

just he's presents to the beat. Like, you know, he's such a

he's, he's so good in this album.

My, my issue with this track is, is the production in that what

you've said actually puts in some context for me, 'cause I

wasn't aware of that. But for me, it's such a simple

production. The beat is so he's chopped up,

impeached the president without single note, which he's pitching

up and down. And I always found this beat too

simple. And I know that's really rich

saying that because I know how hard it would be to make it

sound like this and I couldn't do it.

But it just, it always grabbed me as being like a very simple

sounding beat for somebody of the calibre of Primo.

I definitely get I, I get the criticism, definitely, yeah.

But it's about Biggie's rhyming and that's why it has the status

it has. And I think with anyone else,

maybe no one, not anyone else, but I think with most people,

this track maybe would have been forgotten.

It's it's kind of like a nothing because it's on a legendary

album, because Primo's such a legend, and because Biggie kills

it, it stood the test. This is what I was saying

earlier about like the living proof.

Well, like the rapping on that isn't good enough for it.

That's why you need like a biggie on a beat like this.

I do. I will say I do like I like the

beat more than you do. Maybe not I.

Don't want to. I don't want to incur the wrath

of your daughter for saying I always disagree with you because

I do think it's it's a good track.

Well, we often opposed on opinions of, but I think it's an

earworm. I think it's simplicity just

gets in the ear and sticks there.

And again, we're talking about somebody who has just the best

ear in hip hop. Well, I just think a primo's

capable of so much more like which he went on to prove on the

second album with 10 Cracked Commandments, kicking the door

where those are top tier Primo beats and that that is the

perfect marriage of those two MC and beat.

But this isn't. This was like a warm up to it

and I don't. You know, I, I can't, I can't

agree with. That do you not think, though,

that actually it's quite a good little musical phrase that he

comes up with, given the fact that it is just one based on one

note, If he'd come up with that on a guitar or a keyboard,

that's actually quite a good little riff.

Yeah, and imagine if he did that quickly as well as like I've

just I've. Just got to do this.

Makes it a bit sit a bit better with me that he's made it

quickly. But the other thing we haven't

talked about is the R Kelly sample.

See, I know you're still a big fan of R Kelly, but the R Kelly

sample quite good that he's managed to, you know, pick out

that one phrase. I do quite like that.

A little bit out of tune, but we'll overlook that.

I think that's really clever. So let's give some props to

that. But yeah, I this isn't one of my

favourite Primo beats, but I understand why it's here, Yeah,

understand why you like it. So that's.

It's definitely in my all my taste I'm.

I'm with you, Steve. I like.

It I'm voting for unbelievable. Unbelievable.

That's one for unbelievable, Larry.

What was the other track again? Invasion.

Invasion. Oh God.

Or my word, we know. It's right, Danny's going to go,

so why don't you do your vote first, Danny?

Me. Yeah.

OK, well, I'm going to go for Invasion.

I gave it 4 out of five. Love it, Love it.

It's one of my favourite Jay REO tracks, one of my favourite DJ

Premier tracks, so. We know which way this normally

goes, Larry. Well, I'll tell you this.

I've given unbelievable 4.5 yes, OK, which is higher than higher

than I is unbelievable, which is higher than I anticipated that I

would give score it absolute classic and but I've scored

invasion 5, so I've got. Oh no, that's it, That's the

one. Of course I should.

We just see what Guy Gamer thinks of that.

I'm very surprised to see this verdict because I wasn't

expecting that. I wasn't expecting that either

guy game out. Really.

It was quite a quite a a big win.

No, I think I kind of was because I knew that Larry loves

invasion, so a worthy are. We go like Mark Klattenberg or

someone to just review that decision.

Well, let's just give JB one of these.

Back of the net. And see what Mark Klattenberg

has to contribute. Contenders.

Right, he's he's not paying attention.

Okay, right, let's go on. Oh no, let's have another quiz.

I've got more quiz questions. Okay, so here we go.

So the the the remaining categories are I know that

sample skip, hop or whose line is it anyway?

Can I have? Whose line is it anyway?

Please. Whose line is it anyway?

Are you going to like this one? You got to guess the DJ from

produced song from these lyrics, which I'm going to pay play you

now through your headphone device.

Are you ready? Yeah, we go.

The closest of friends when we first started but grew apart as

the money grew and soon grew. Black hearted thinking back when

we first learned to use rubbers. He never learned, so in turn I'm

kidnapping his baby's mother. OK, So what DJ Premier produced

track is that? I actually can't concentrate.

It's blown my mind. I know the track as well, but I

need to concentrate. That was your brother who read

that out for us. Steve was, by the way.

Yeah. Can I get doing it again?

Yeah, I've got to concentrate this time the.

Closest of friends when we first started but grew apart as the

money grew and soon grew black hearted.

Thinking back when we first learned to use rubbers, he never

learned. So in turn, I'm kidnapping his

baby's mother. Right.

I'm going to give you 5 seconds. It's not coming to me.

I know it. I know it for.

Is it? 2.

MCS that they don't know. It sounds like a Biggie lyric.

It does maybe like the robbers. I was going for the chaos one.

What's? Your final answer?

Chaos one MCS that they know. Is it?

Is it Chaos one? I'm afraid no.

It was Jay-Z, the evils from the Razor Rule Doubt album, right,

Larry? You've got skip, hop or.

I know that sample. That's going for.

I know that sample. I know that sample.

OK, right. I'm going to play you a clip of

the song, The Primo samples. You've got to name the track he

sampled it for. OK, OK, good question.

Here we go. Will it?

Yeah. What is the answer?

Well, it's is it? Ain't the devil happy?

It is. Yeah.

It is, yeah. It's a The Devil Happy.

And it is a good sample. Yeah.

It's Lee Oscar, R Rd R Rd by Lee Oscar.

Never heard it before. No.

It sounds a bit like this the intro to this.

All right. So I think he's like a South

African kind of jazz, right? Yeah.

I mean, it's been sampled a few times actually, but yeah.

Cool. Anyway, well done Larry.

You got a point there, right? We've got one more left, and you

have to fight among yourselves to decide who does the fifth

one. Why?

Should we do it together and see who gets the?

Answer we'll do it later let's go with the next match now so

let's have another #4 please #4 which is another JRI track

mental stamina and. Have we had 10 yet?

No OC my world, so it's JRI again versus O CS my world.

Here we go. Let's have a listen Expired.

In 309, like Nitro Blitzman, a boss let's have for Rock Watch

class with. Us and meet several boss.

Several boss get this rabbitry as I come in a whirlwind through

cities breaking down substances, combining matter touch my hands

skills and backbone. Slatter breaks from coffee

blowing smoke out architect rap technician.

Man listen there's no doubt you're going to pump this in

your system. My skills ill and don't let out

above confidence. I'm not worried about the street

boss, I'm OC. Who you?

I never heard of you. Get out my face before I turn

into a mother. Right.

So, Larry, mental stamina was your choice.

Great choice as well. That's good.

Go on and talk us through it. Do you know where the drums are?

From on this I don't know. Apparently, according to who's

sampled, that's normally pretty good accurate thing.

It's from Billie Jean. Oh, OK, All right, because they

are. You can.

Hear it. They are heavy drums.

Yeah, the snare you can. You can tell.

Yeah. And he's just obviously, yeah,

just Eqed it and compressed it, just just right slowed down a

little bit. But I think that's one of the

best things about the track is just is the drums just a classic

like, And he is, by the way, the if nothing else, he is the best

drum man in hip hop, the best producer of the best producer of

drums. The bet.

He programmes them the best. He's got the best like

selection, like the best sample selection, things that other

people don't use. He just, he, he just processes

them perfectly. That's his kind of main legacy

for me. He's just got the best drums

ever. Yeah, Dillis probably has a

different, like, I don't know. Different.

Yeah, he's very influential as well with his drums in a

different way, because that's because of his sort of groove.

But yeah, premiere in terms of just like pure raw hardcore hip

hop, like no one comes anywhere. I would agree to him.

I would agree with that as well. And I think actually like one of

my favourites, which we mentioned it earlier somehow is

the original. Yeah, drums on that adjust.

They just. Yeah.

They're so good, they just and there's no, there's AI know we

weren't able to choose it today, but what's that?

There's a gang star track where they where it's like 3 different

beats. Who's the no?

Oh yeah, is it? Who's the man?

No, it's off. Hard to earn.

Yeah, it's got Guru. I'm the.

Man. I'm yeah, is it?

I'm the man. No, that's on daily operation.

OK, it's got it's got Guru, maybe Malachi, The Nutcracker

and Jayrou and each one's got a slight.

They've got a different beat and they're all and they are all

just hard as hell. The last one's the best.

Yeah. It is I'm the man, isn't it?

Well, no, that's, that's the one that's on, that's on daily

operation, I think, is it, am I wrong?

We need to pause. Anyway, we're restraint.

Sorry, my fault. We're strange.

No, no, no. It's all good.

This is this is live. Live Analysis.

Live Research. It is.

Still can't find it. Spit your clout.

Spit your clout. That's the one.

That's it. There we go.

That's it. Yeah.

So anyway, yeah. But back to this one.

I love how simple it is and you know, I I am known for sometimes

moaning about sort of these really simplistic 1 bar loops,

but premiere and premiere has someones that do bore me a

little bit. Like I've I've never kind of

quite got on with like the mass appeal 1, even though I know

sort of it's really kind of well loved.

I don't know, just. That's a very similar beat to

Living Proof as well, I think. Yeah, they're very similar.

But for this one, it's just really simple.

But when when he gets it right and you like it, you can just

listen to it endlessly. I.

Don't understand how it does this.

Doesn't get annoying, but it doesn't.

No, it should be, really. This is one of those, and this

is one of those ones where he's got it's he's accessing that

secret setting on his SP with the secret swing.

I actually think you've undersold this track, Larry.

I think it's like, I know you chose it.

Yeah, but it was it to me. This is just absolutely

incredible. This.

Yeah, it's so. It's the sample like the sample

on it is. It's just, it's just so.

It it the, it, the beat moves, it just moves along.

But it wouldn't be any such about.

It wouldn't be anything without Jay.

Jay would. Just.

Sound right? Right.

Yeah. Yeah, on this track, just

absolutely killing it. And it's not just like their

delivery, which is impeccable, but it's also their choice of

words and the intelligent sort of almost scientific,

scientifical kind of words they use.

It's just everything about it. It's just so precision

engineered to be so dope and you can't like you.

You nod your head instantly. Yeah, and it's a little bit of a

it's, it's very relentless. Like there's no chorus.

There's no like scratch chorus, which is like a departure for

premieres. It's.

Just and all you get is a little break when it.

Goes yeah and. It's yeah, and it's like

unusually short. It's like 2 minutes, 41 or

something. And I love, I love the intro as

well. Yeah, yeah.

I always love things. I always love like, like a kind

of the artifice of like being in the studio and laying down a

track there and then. Yeah, it's got like that

sympathy noise in the back, which I know is an obscure

thing, 21 listening, but back in the old days when you were

recording vocals to reel to reel, you have this weird, this

sympathy sound that synced it up in the background somehow.

And it's a bit like Method Man, like samples it on one of like

wizard samples on these tracks as well.

But I just love it like that idea of like we've got, we've

got one bit of tape left. Yeah.

Let's do got to like lay it down now.

Otherwise I don't know. Like they're gonna lose the

tape. I don't know.

I do like. There's there's no going, no

toning back. There was.

Probably plenty of chances to do.

Probably, but they wanted to. But it's like Doctor Dre Forget

Who with the track where he claims somebody forgot their

drums or. Something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, studio artifice, love it,

but yeah, no, I think it's absolutely breathtaking trial.

I think it's probably the best track on sunrises in the East

and. That's I think so.

Saying something? I think you 2 are definitely.

I just a page from here. I just think that's it's

definitely. One of my favourite board.

I think this is a this is a good track, but not it's not as great

as you're saying it. Just.

But do you not find that the tag team rhyming the intelligent

word play? I thought this would have been

right up your street. I thought this would have been.

I thought you'd been right on board of it.

Yeah, I, I, I, I love Jairo. I think he's, he's absolutely

brilliant. I think Afrah doesn't do it for

me as much does for you 2. And I think going back to what I

said a minute ago, I think the that sample is should annoy me,

but it doesn't. But, but, but then it doesn't

get in my ear and make me want to keep coming back to this

track. So it's definitely, I definitely

don't think this is a, an outstanding track.

It's just a good track. I think it's.

Danny's finger is lingering on the sound part.

Here to to give me. That's bang out of order.

In fact, Harry Redknaut wants to weigh in.

Yeah, obviously, you know, it's, it's a, it's a big

disappointment. Absolute load of nonsense.

I. Just get buried on this.

You're having the an opposing opinion.

No, that's fine. Whatever.

OK. So is that both of them or we've

got another one to? Never got to do in my world.

I've got to do my world. Yes, this is, this is one of our

kind of all of us chose this one.

We kind of horse traded this one.

Yeah, we didn't have a definitive, did we to fill the

gaps because a lot of the tracks were cup tied.

Yeah. So we come up with 9 and then we

had to come up with a 10th and we did a kind of a ranking of

the ones we had left. And this was the kind of me and

Larry were very keen to get this one in.

And I know you, I don't think you were too keen on it, were

you, Steve? But.

I wasn't, it's not one of my favourites, but I was quite

happy to. I think it's a tracker I like

and I like OCI think he's a really good rapper and this is

quite good albums from a 1997 albums.

That's, you know, end of end of the golden age, end of what

you're you're. On rail ends, Yeah.

This is one of the last albums I bought on CD hip hop albums.

I can't work out what the chop sample is on here.

It's just like a flute or whatever.

What it is, I don't know. No, but it's lovely though.

It's really dark and Moody. Yeah.

I love that whistle sound. Yeah.

It's actually a It's a slow down Barry White.

This Barry White sound. OK.

And I think, yeah, this is just the beauty of hip hop is just

being able to, it's simple but just recontextualising little

bits of music. And like some of the best tracks

ever are just ones where it's just either slowed down or

pitched up just by a couple of semitones.

It just completely changes the feel of it.

And Premiere is like just the master at doing it.

Yeah, it's so good. And also OCO made big shouts out

to OC because he is just, he's a legend, but I think he's the

rapper's rapper. I think he's one of those.

He doesn't get the kind of the flowers on the wider mainstream

than he should, but rappers know, Yeah, people in the heads

know that he's he's one of the great.

But this the rapper that did Time's Up, which is one of the

one of the best versus exactly hip hop of all time.

Exactly. He's he's one of I think he's

one of hip hop's most underrated MCS.

Yeah. And in this one is a really cool

Ron Jeremy reference. And then if you pick that up, a

little porn reference for you, Steve.

Can you explain it to me please? I didn't understand it myself,

but I don't even know who Ron Jeremy is.

But anyway, so yeah, I think All in all, a very good track worth

being on this list and from a really, really good album that's

got some other really good beats on it as well.

So yeah, should we vote? Yeah, that's fine.

OK, Steve, why don't you go first?

It's mental stamina for me. Even though you you're not.

I'm just not waxing lyrical like I refuse to wax lyrical like you

2 did on it because it's just, it isn't.

I don't think it's in the it's not top level premiere in my

book. Fair enough, Larry.

I think I am going to go for mental stamina, but I think I

think OC is the better rapper than Jay Roo probably, and I

prefer the rapping of my world. Not to say that I don't like a

mental stamina, but I just love the beat so much.

Mental stamina. Yeah, I'm going to go for that.

Yeah, I'm going to go for mental stamina as well, because I had

to. Yeah, I've given it 5 out of

five. I absolutely love it.

I gave my world 4 but I just think mental stamina is just

that bit bit more exciting of a hip hop tracks 3.

In a win. Second three in a win.

Three in a win, another one so it gets one of these.

Back of the net. And we're going to move on now

to our next match. #2 against #8. #2 against #8 which is

KRS-one rappers are in danger against New York State of mind

by NARS battle of the New York MCS.

Let's have a listen. Blast Master Chris, I don't talk

itch. Expand your consciousness and

dismiss foolishness. No one is new to this or new to

Chris and hip hops atomic structure.

I am the nucleus, that is the central.

There was a snitch on the block getting *** Not so all your

Staffs to the cold price drive. I noticed crackhead who said she

got a smoke. Nice ride.

And if it's good, you bring your customers a measurement price.

But yeah, KRS versus Nas 2, Legends of the Hip Hop game,

Steve, KRS-one, and you're a massive fan.

We did a whole shootout based around him in our last episode.

Is this one that on your radar Rappers are in danger?

I I didn't choose this one. I know, but I chose it.

I chose it. Yeah, I, it's not one of not one

of my favourite KRS KRS-one tracks, but I my, my observation

on this was I just, I just love for Premiere to have done more

with KRS because I actually think they fit really nicely.

Yeah, we've talked about how much you 22 hate gang star and

guru. But maybe, yeah, maybe Premiere

and KRS-one would have been would have been a better match

up for for a group. But yeah, I mean, Karis always

sounds good. So I've got no kind of problems

there. And then the production, it's

got that you were saying about sound effects actually at the

beginning. And I put on my notes like a

weird bubbly sample. Yeah.

So I don't know. I think, I think that's from

Doctor Who. Oh.

Is it doctor like radio? Funnet workshop?

I think so. Yeah.

He. Likes those sorts of sounds.

He's definitely he's. Definitely used a Doctor Who won

on one of these tracks that we doesn't do today and I think I

think it's this one. And that's very that's classic

premiere using a sound like that on on the verses, isn't it?

Yeah, and that chop chopped up whatever it that little noise

that goes up and down is, is just, yeah, so simplistic again,

but just works. It's just, again, I think

contrary to, to mental stamina, this is one that does get in

your ear for, for me, it just sticks there and it's, and I

think that's he, he is, you know, I keep saying it's so

formulaic, but it just works. Just works.

Yeah, that's the thing about this track.

That's why I chose it. Is that the way it comes in, in

that horn, the horn sample in the chorus?

I just love that. I absolutely.

Oh yeah. Hearing that.

Yeah. And it's just it, it comes in

and it grabs you straight away. Yeah.

And and then chopping up the OC Rappers Are in Danger sample

from Time's Up. Yeah.

The whole that whole thing just works.

Kind of drops off a bit on the verses with that sound effect

and the kind of the little plinky plonk sample he drops.

It yeah, Plinky. Plonk But I still I still like

that and I just think, like you said, Steve KRS-one sounds

absolutely incredible on DJ Premier beats like he did it on

return of the boom bar MC Zack know they don't know and this

one as well. I just think he just sounds so

much more alive and energised when he's on a demo beat.

And some of the things, the problems I have with some of his

other tracks, certainly in, you know, the early stuff, the BDP

stuff we talked about a lot of it's quite pedestrian to me.

But when he when he jumps on a Primo beat, it just comes alive.

There's something about it. Well.

KRS He likes to produce a lot of his own stuff, which maybe is

his downfall. Yeah, like he should kind of

like let. He should have let.

There I think KRS-one, like he really shines on sort of on

aggressive like quite up tempo beats.

Like I mean. Exact boom bap if you.

Think about Boom Bap. He's probably actually I

probably think about KRS-one before I think about Primo, but

probably should be the other way around.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They are.

They are a match made in heaven. So anyway, just absolutely adore

this track. Larry, thoughts on it?

I've got to say, ashamedly, I don't fit.

I mean, I must have heard it before, but I certainly wasn't

really aware of it before. Like listening to it for this.

I've always I know like I know of it.

Yes. I just want to let you know of

it. And he's single and it's on that

essential KRS-one compilation thing.

I don't know you retrospect. It's not.

I don't know if it's on that one.

No, it's not. It's on a different compilation

of his. There was a single and had a

video and. It's on.

Is it from? I got next.

No, it's. From the 90.

KS1KS. One OK, of course, yeah, same

album is that. Is the album worth?

Kind of. Is it a good?

I like it, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's some good stuff on it.

Yeah. Good stuff on it, yeah.

It's got two or three Primo tracks, showbiz, people like

that. Yeah.

So. It's worth, but I do really like

it just for all the reasons that kind of YouTube have mentioned

already, really, really good drums.

But yeah, incredible drums actually like that.

Really. I love that really kind of

sibilant high hat that he uses in there.

And I looked up the sample source and it's like it's been

used since. But I think he was the first

person to like identify that that drum loop and use it.

And it's just. Yeah, I looked it up as well.

Great. It's and yeah, and the main

samples, JK Pestorius as well, which is.

That's it. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

We don't worry about sample snitching on this show by.

The way no, even though like he doesn't like it premiere he's

got what's that? There's a gang star track, I

think it's from. It's from one of the later

albums where at the end of the track he's got a little spoken

word bit where he rants about like sample snitching really.

He does not like it. Well, does not like it.

It's all part of the game. I get it, but you know.

You know if it's out there on who's sample you can find out.

It's no different to us saying it than somebody looking it up

on an online. And how can you not get go

looking for these no samples? Exactly, it's part of the fun.

I will say though, the spelling needs work.

Rappers are in. Danger.

Yeah, that's not great. But actually he, I think he's

got a bit of a reputation for that as well.

He does, he does seem to choose his his spellings to make them a

bit like, yeah, New York New Yorker fight them or something.

I don't. Know Yeah, well, it's not great

when you're when you're trying to learn English.

Dyslexic. Maybe, maybe, yeah, if you're

listening, it is KRS-one dyslexic.

Do let us know. Drop us a line.

All right, let's move on to our other track there.

Now. I don't know if how to approach

this one. It's an absolutely legendary

track. It's you know, it's in the Mount

Rushmore on from a Mount Rushmore album 1 of premieres.

Probably one of his most celebrated productions.

I'd I'd say he has. To be his.

New York State of Mind. Yeah.

Nas's Surely Nas's most iconic track and DJ premieres I.

Mean my my main comment is, is this the is this the best

opening track on an album ever? Like in in the realm of hip hop.

There was a very good case. It's so it's scene setting.

That's exactly it. It's very pitching what you're

about to what? You're about to hear and the the

actual the music itself kind of also does that in the way that

the main sample fades in at the beginning.

Like it starts with the drums and the and that kind of sound

like the beeping kind of bit. And then the main piano sample.

It's it's low pass filtered and it's low in the mix and it the

volume increases and the philtre opens up and it just feels like

it's kind of maybe like coming up from the underground ushers.

You in. It ushers the.

Album. It's and it's just and the like

that that that main loop. It's just so it's sinister, it's

cinematic, it just, it sets up like an incredible album.

I had it in. A very cinematic.

It's very, very, yeah, really good words, cinematic.

But also I have very winter, very cold.

Yeah, paints a picture of really sort of cold.

Hard streets, Yeah, the. Streets, yeah.

So anyway, Steve, this was your choice.

So I don't think. I think I've got anything else

to say. Yeah, it's kind of kind of

covers everything from kind of my notes.

Try. I don't know what else to say.

I don't know. The only thing I say is I

consider Mass Appeal to be the number one premier tracker in

my, in my list. Like this is number 2.

And then unbelievable is #3 that's.

Right. Amazing.

And I think, I don't know, I know you 2 don't you definitely

don't like mass appeal that much, but.

No, I do. I'm a fan of mass appeal.

I like it. I think this is the better,

better gangster. But I think if we're being

objective, all of us, this is probably, this is probably #1 in

terms of what most people would. Think well, as I said earlier,

it's not it's not up there in my Primo Mount Rushmore, but it's I

understand the the gravitas and the importance it has and I

understand why it is probably his most revered production.

A little bit sparse for me. I like the more kind of.

The later kind of. It's definitely the more done my

taste than yours. But as a beat for what it's

trying to do, coupled with what NARS is doing on it, I think

it's just absolutely perfect. Yeah, I just think it's

absolutely incredible. It really paints a picture of

kind of New York in a really cinematic way, like you said,

like it's a. Canvas for the canvas.

But he sounds mature beyond his years on this.

Like, you would not believe how old was he, 19 or whatever he

was. Yeah, he would not believe he's

19. Some of the imagery and some of

the sort of pictures he paints in this, It just it blows my

mind that somebody that young. His metaphor.

Will come up with that, Yeah. Even imagining it, if it's not

lived experience, even though he can think of those things.

It's just incredible. Yeah.

But then express it in such a complex, Yeah, memorable way.

I mean, it just blows your mind that whole album is is.

Well, express it in a way that if when he flows, his flow is

just incredible. Yeah, that's the thing.

It's not just having those ideas and the vocabulary and the and

the and the and the metaphors. Yeah, to fit them in syllably,

syllably as well as just amazing.

It's incredible. Yeah.

And, and also just hearing that intro come in and that the track

come in just whisks me straight back to 94 and that feeling you

had every time you put Automatic on back then.

So good. So good.

OK, so I think we should vote this is final match.

We should get a sort of an overall winner out of this.

Afterwards, we'll we'll take a break and calculate all the

scores and everything, but let's vote on this one.

OK, for New York State of Mind, seems I picked it.

That's brilliant. Yeah, it has to be that I think

I really like Rappers are in danger, but it's not on the same

level as it. Is it going to get through?

The task, well I've so rappers are in danger was my choice

obviously. I think it is kind of a better

beat ultimately. I think so, probably just cause

it's a bit more sort of up tempo and stuff.

Just completely shorn of their contexts.

Like as instrumentals. I would rather listen to Rappers

are Endangered, yeah. But that's a really good way of.

Putting it but, but also I think just one thing I didn't mention

about and my state of mind is that even though it's really

slow, like the drums are still got that kind of premier kind of

bounce yeah to them like that particular timing of the swing

that he's got. It's just yes, yeah, it's.

Really, really good. So yeah, I think objectively,

maybe rappers in Dangers got the better beat out of context, but

you can't unpair the New York State of Mind beat from from the

album, from the track, from Nars, from the era.

That's just, it's got got to be. It'd be criminal to for most of

it for almost any other tractor. Beat it, really.

Yeah, Yeah, that's really well put.

And I, I, I totally get that. I obviously rapporteur in danger

was my choice. And I've given I've, I've given

that four and I've given New York City mine 4.

So they both got the same score. You gave New York State mine

four. Yeah, But I.

Can can Mark Clattenburg or something like tell you what,

but you're in charge of the soundboard.

Well, I've got. How can New York and you're a

great ball. Totally ugly freak.

Because. Because.

Terrible. Well I'll tell you why.

Because the world is Yours would get 5.

You're not comparing. It that's that's top tier for

me. This one, as I said earlier,

it's a bit sparse. It's a bit, it's not really my

type of beat. It's I understand what it's

doing and lyrically it's incredible.

I'm just shaking my head. It's one.

It's one sort of notched down from the.

Very best deliberately, sometimes just to just to wind

me up. I don't.

This is not I would not put this in any of my, you know, best

ever tracks. I wouldn't put it on anyway.

So so that's that's what I'm faced with and I, you know, I

think about the rappers are in danger beat far more than I

think about New York State of mind.

Fair enough. But just to keep you happy,

Steve, I will. I will go for New York State of

Mind just to give it a three nil win because I love you so much.

Oh, thank you. Back of the net.

So that's a win for Naz there. So right, we'll get to that last

quiz question in a minute, but what we'll do in a minute, we're

going to go away, take a break and have a hot shower together.

And we're going to calculate the true scores for the five winning

tracks in those five matches we just talked about.

And we're going to come back and we're going to reveal the

ranking and which DJ Premier Production was the ultimate

winner. So before we do that, let's have

the final quiz question. The last remaining one was Skip

Hop. So between you you got to I'm

going to read you a run of tracks from Group Homes Live in

Proof album produced by DJ Premier.

Which track have I skipped? You can you can sort of confer

on this one. You've only skipped 1.

Only there's one track skipped. You've got to tell me which

track it is. This is from the running order

of the of the track. I'm skipping one.

You're going to tell me which track it is.

OK, here we go. Get this together.

Baby par 2000. Up against the wall.

The Realness Baby, par 2000. I've got no idea.

I'll tell you where it is, baby. Par 2000, blank up against the

wall. The realness.

You have to run Larry for this one.

I don't know the track listing well enough.

Larry's. Now I can't.

I can't. The correct answer was

superstar. It was.

Superstar could have guessed that, actually.

One of our. My favourite track actually.

On the album. Yeah, sure, sure.

That's. Great.

OK, so that was a load of bollocks.

That's the end of that. Good quizzes though, Daniel.

Well, thank you. I'll give myself a round of

applause. Yeah, as I said, we're going to

go away now and calculate all the scores and let you know.

What hot shower first? Oh, have a hot shower and then

calculate all the scores back in a SEC.

This is Michael Jackson, and you're listening to Hip Hop

World Cup, the world's baddest rap podcast.

Hi, welcome back to Hip Hop World Cup Shootout.

The results are in. Steve has fed them all the

numbers through our video printer machine and he's going

to reveal the all the the winners.

Now, Steve, over to you. OK, so in 5th place with 11

points was Our Streets by ASAP Ferg.

In fourth place was returned to Quicken Dodgers with 12 1/2

points in 3rd place. Invasion, Invasion on 13 points,

so it's really close here. So we have two, two tied at the

top. These joint winners.

Joint winners. OK, before you reveal the the

winner, I just need to count you down.

Count you in by our referee Mark Klattenberg, 321.

Here's our winner. It's mental stamina and New York

State of mind. Wow, New York State of mind

meant stamina. Where the winners?

Absolutely. I think we should split them.

I think I should we should make you to decide which ones would

be your definitive #1 because I'd obviously know which one I

go for. Well, actually, yeah, good

point. Actually, we should like, yeah,

settle it. Like probably settle it.

Which one are those two? I go.

For New York State of mine, obviously.

Yeah, you're. Obviously you're obviously gonna

go for mental. Well, you love that mental

stamina just excites me far much more than New York State of Mind

does. So yeah, I would be remiss if I

was. Yeah, I'd go for that.

Mental stamina for me. Larry, the hopes of a nation are

a new. I agree with what you say,

Danny, about it's a more exciting track.

I'd rather sort of listen to it probably, but I just I can't

impair and why state of mind from its context.

It's just, it's, it can't really, it can't lose to and.

I, I think that is probably the right result.

It's probably the right result, of course, the worthy winner.

So New York State of Mind by NARS gets this.

It's like when he automatic won our 1994 episode.

It did it in the date did it. No resurrection one.

That's why I've named our award. For the most.

Surprising result in the breakdown, which we're going to

do after this. OK, that's yeah.

It was a big shock winner, OK, much to Steve's disdain.

Yeah, as usual. So yeah, there we go.

NARS New York State of Mind is scientifically the the best DJ

Premier production. Before we go, we've got some

urgent news just in. Larry, over to you.

Two bits actually. Quite exciting.

We've had a a missive, A communique from a fan of a

friend of the show, Matt. Listeners to the Old Westward

show might know him as Rob from Exmouth.

I haven't. Got that on the soundboard

unfortunately. But OK, fair enough.

Well, anyway, he's he sent me a picture of ACD cover.

It's a he knew that we were doing the premiere episode

today. He's actually over from Seattle,

but he couldn't we'd like to get him on the podcast, but he

couldn't make it today. But he has sent us a track

listing from ACD, what what he calls a Danny Special, which is

one of your compilation CDs from back in the day.

And it's, it's a best of premier kind of thing.

So I thought it might be fun to read out the track listing, see

sort of what we've got on our list and.

And our list of 19 cup tie trucks as well which?

True. OK, so it goes Rakim.

It's been a long time. Yeah, yeah.

Crook and Dodgers 95 Nas I gave you power.

Biggie Smalls 10 Crack mammoths. Yeah, has to be on there.

Invasion J Ru Yep. OC featuring Freddie Fox MUG

Yeah. I love that one.

I'm not sure what you 2 do, but they.

The evils. Yeah, that had to be on there.

I've never heard this one myself.

The Lady of Rage featuring Mad 1 of AODA track called Microphone

Pond Cock. Yep, that's good.

That's really good. That's really good. 1 The MCS

act like they don't know. Of course the old Stars

superstar group home. 3 The Hard Way by Bacha Maria.

Yeah, that was on the sort of extended shortlist, wasn't it?

Yeah. That's a good track.

Blase, Blase danger. I mean, it's fine.

Unbelievable. Represent you.

Had unbelievable on there. Yeah, yeah.

Well, I was thinking I was sweeping the barrel at that

point. I was trying.

To now as represent yes showing AG next level night time mix I.

Love that. OK.

Thick by ditc that's. A good track.

Jay-Z featuring BIG jazz and source money.

Bang it on, I think it's cool. Bring it on, bring it on.

Obscured by the light there and the last one is kicking the

door. Notorious BIG.

Pretty much. That's good, yeah.

Who's who of of tracks this is microphone pong cork case.

You were wondering now if you want to have a listen.

I don't know if it's working, but.

And the. Bahamas deer track as well.

That's that Lady rage there. Wonderful track list there.

Wonderful CD. I'd be very happy if somebody

gave me that. Back in the day, print like

you've got to know what you're dealing with.

This as well with Danny like this is from back in the day,

but it's a proper printed cover. Typed out.

Typed out in whatever word processing package you're using.

Fairly primitive days, OK. Also, Larry, I think you've got

some other. Urgent news AM.

I right, Yeah, I have. Yeah.

We've got a new sponsor, which new sponsor which hopefully will

allow us to get the VAR licence back.

Trevor, he's a, he's one of these brilliant like

entrepreneur businessmen that you come across locally.

He was actually one of the founding members of Happy

Shopper, if you remember that. And he's seen a gap in the

market for an even more no frills like sub discount

supermarket. And that's reflected in the

name, which is simply Shopper. And he's basically, he's taken

inspiration from, you know, how like Lidl and ALDI, they'll sort

of get in sort of like European where's to kind of, you know,

sell. He's following that model, but

taking it even further, scouring the globe literally for for

products that are like cheap and flavoursome.

So few kind of things that they've got on the shelves of

shopper at the moment that you can look out for very popular

one. It's, it's honey, but it's North

Korean wasp honey, OK, which apparently like really hits the

spot between like sour and salty, which is what you want

from your, what you want from your honey.

Real complex flavour that that's the best seller.

One that he's got coming hopefully soon is broccoli

ketchup, which is an Iranian dish.

And as soon as they've got like the minimum sulphur levels that

the EU demands of products down to a reasonable level.

Gradually getting that. Level gradually getting the

sulphur levels down. But he's he's, he thinks Heinz

are going to be running very scared from that and that

there'll be a bottle on every sort of breakfast table.

And finally, and this is a great, this is going to be a

great seller. I think it's you've heard the

phrase separating the wheat from the chaff. 100%.

Well, Trevor is like brilliant businessman that he is.

He's come up with Chaffa Bix, which is a like a rival to

Weetabix and he's got he, he's so clever.

He's, he's got, he's got Kellogg's doing the work for

him. Basically.

They are literally separating like the wheat from the chaff in

their facilities. And that's a good match for our

podcast because that's what we do.

Exactly, exactly. And yeah, he's negotiated a

special rate with them for that chaff, buying it in bulk when

previously they were literally just burning it.

So he's able to capitalise on on that.

So it's great for the environment, your pockets and

your taste buds. Chaffa Bits.

There are new sponsors. There are new.

Sponsor. I say sponsor.

He's it's Shopper. Yeah, Trevor from Shopper, he's

not, we haven't signed a kind of sponsorship deal as such, but he

has agreed to be our first Patreon, OK.

And he's signed up on the £1.00 a month tier.

Brilliant. But that's that's recurring fees

though around there. So no, actual money's changed

hands, but you will not. Yet, but he will be signing.

He's promised to sign up to to the to the Patreon.

On behalf, we're here at the podcast.

Trevor, thank you for being our new sponsor.

Will we have to promote those specific project products on

every? No, no.

I think that there'll be sort of there'll be new products.

Well, that's great news. That should keep us going for

quite some time. Yeah.

Thanks for that, Larry. Great bit of news there.

So after the dust has settled, what we've scientifically

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Peace. Good looking boy,

absolute load of nonsense.